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Cyclist Killed On Roland Avenue

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I believe I spoke to deterrence: "Research has shown that long sentences do not serve as a deterrence to others."

If people believe that a long sentence for Ms Cook will deter people from drinking and/or texting while driving, well, one can believe anything they want.  Many states have mandatory sentences for relatively benign drug use, but drug use is not on the decline.  Has the possibility of LWOP led to a decline in the homicide rate in our cities?  The deterrence needs to come with the FIRST charge and conviction, not the later event when someone is killed or injured.  Ms. Cook received virtually no consequences when she was charge with driving with a BAC of 0.27!  She was soaked with her own vomit, and had pot in the vehicle.  SHE SERVED NO TIME, NONE, NADA, ZILCH, NIL!   What are the chances that Mr. Palermo would be with his family tonight if Ms. Cook had spent a couple of years in jail and lost her license for 5 years?  99.9%?

Edited by: Kolo Jezdec - Sep-17-15 07:53 pm

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Re: Cyclist Killed On Roland Avenue

Kolo Jezdec wrote:


Has the possibility of LWOP led to a decline in the homicide rate in our cities?  The deterrence needs to come with the FIRST charge and conviction, not the later event when someone is killed or injured.  Ms. Cook received virtually no consequences when she was charge with driving with a BAC of 0.27!   

Sorry I missed your earlier discussion about deterrence.  I get what you're saying above; however, I'm not here to discuss punishment related to homicide or other crimes in general in US cities.  This particular case is unique in that it garnered both local and continuing national outrage far more than Cook's earlier run-in with DUI and on balance much more than nearly any other vehicular-bicycle 'incident' (for lack of a better word...) in recent memory.  The flight from the scene, the texting, and other allegations of power abuse also exacerbate this particular case considerably beyond her previous situation.  As such, anything less than sending the strongest possible message of deterrence at this time - even though the first charge did not - would, I believe, be tantamount to tacit approval of this behavior in the eyes of the motoring public.  I understand her previous history, but I think that the time of the message is especially critical now.  The strength of the response is now.

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The flight from the scene, the texting, and other allegations of power abuse also exacerbate this particular case considerably beyond her previous situation.

What exacerbates this situation from her previous one is that this time she killed another human being.  She was even more drunk the first time.  Was she texting?  No report of that one way or another.  It is only happenstance that she did not kill someone on her drive down the Eastern Shore back in 2010.  The way these laws are used is ridiculous, especially with the phone use.  Yeah, the state will fine you the first dozen or 2 dozen times you are caught texting, Just don't kill anyone.  If you do kill a human, we will have to get serious and put you in jail.  DUI/DWI penalties are similar.  The state will get real serious about consequences AFTER you kill someone. 

I wish I had the same faith in the power of deterrence as you do.  Think about this; do you avoid using your phone while driving because you are afraid of the fine?  Do you refuse to drink and drive because of possible legal consequences?  I doubt it.  You refrain from these actions because it is the right and moral thing to do, because you value your life and the lives of others.  Does someone leaving a bar, cellphone in hand as he heads for his car, think, "Oh, shit, I better not drive after drinking and certainly I should not check my Facebook page as I cruise down the road.  That Bishop got 20 years for that.  Nope, I'll call a cab."  Maybe.  Or maybe he thinks, "That stupid Bishop couldn't handle her liquor, and what moron can't drive and use the phone?"

I am not opining here about her sentence.  Put her in a dungeon and lose the key for all I care.  Just be honest with yourself about your reasons for desiring a harsh sentence. 

Thanks for the opportunity to debate this topic.  As a person who has experienced the violent death of a loved one (my father, a police officer, was killed in the line of duty in 1966), I have done extensive research on the effects of harsh sentences for criminals.  I feel that I am informed and knowledgeable about this topic, but I will render no opinion on Ms. Cook's punishment.  I will simply say that I prefer deterrence before a killing, not after.

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Kolo Jezdec wrote:


Steve Feldman wrote:

I will simply say that I prefer deterrence before a killing, not after.

You take a great leap in your interpretation of what I said.  Perhaps we'll have the opportunity to discuss it further on a ride sometime.

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Steve Feldman wrote:

You take a great leap in your interpretation of what I said.  Perhaps we'll have the opportunity to discuss it further on a ride sometime.

Sorry.  Sometimes I get carried away.  I do hope you are right and a serious sentence serves as an example to others.

Ride safe out there.

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October 27, 2015:
For repeated wanton recklessness, extreme drunk driving, texting while driving drunk and in that process killing an innocent good man, husband and father of young children, our "system" of justice says 7 years is enough of a price to pay.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla … story.html

~too much of anything is just enough for me. Pete Townshend

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There's no word on whether, as a threat to public safety, she's had her driver's license revoked permanently. If not.... Why the hell not???

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Here the article from the Baltimore Sun from yesterday.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-sente … ing-drunk/
Maybe the judge in this case should lose their license to practice law.
Jim

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