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Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Blackouts -- The current BBC policy seems to be generally aimed at the perceived good of the club as a whole.  The members' choice is whether the policy is respected and supported or whether the policy should be eliminated.  There is already a thread in the forum about a more local "non-official" ride (or some description like that) on the current blackout date.  While there might be less global invitations than the BBC forum to announce such a ride so that proper respect is given to the current blackout policy I understand the need for such rides. Hopefully the Flatlands ride will be well attended by participants and volunteers alike and the non-official ride(s) will be safe and enjoyable for those that participate in these rides.  We have different needs and wants.

Cue sheet standardization:  Have fun!  What is the correct font size (My near vision at 53 is considerably worse than it was when I was 45)?  How descriptive do the cues need to be and in what order (I prefer the least amount of information possible)?  Should the cue sheet fold from top to bottom or side to side (Side to side is my preference -- if I need to look at the next cue on the back of the current folded page I find it much easier to acccess the next cue when folded side to side -- I clip the cue sheet at the top)?  When does a cue sheet need to be updated (In my opinion it is incumbent upon the ride leader to scout the ride to update the cue sheet as needed and identify any item that could affect primariliy the safety of the cyclist)?  How is a cue sheet updated if it is only available in pdf format?  Does the cuesheet need any form of legal waiver language?  Does the cue sheet require some form of BBC identification, emergency information, etc?  I don't lead rides anymore, but if I was interested in leading a ride it would be a deterrant if I needed to spend extra time converting my cuesheet to some standard format.  More like work than play.  Maybe the club can buy a few hundred GPS's and distribute them to the ride leaders who can upload the cues and distribute them at the ride start.  Maybe the club would then be forced to begin charging for each ride ...

Jim, a lurker

Jim Guild feltb2@yahoo.com

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

ehc3rd@gmail.com wrote:

One of the biggest problems in this club is a lack of volunteers to make the club work. The club special events, that are blackouts, require considerable effort on the part of all too few of our members. Instead of some adolescent whining about the "terrible tyranny" of a special event that is a black out date, I suggest that you call an event leader and asking what you can do help out with the event. The members of our club who make these events happen don't get to ride the event or their own ride on the event day so that the rest of us can. Every special event that the BBC puts on can use more help. Time to grow up and give back to the club folks.
Ed Cahill
BBC Secretary

Ed, 
Give back? In the past 17 days I've led a BBC ride,scouted out the route for , then led a 2nd ride and attended yet another. In all, I've cycled nearly 400 miles in support of the BBC('s mission) (450 if you count Glenelg:) I would most likely be leading a ride on Sat. as well if the blackout date didn't prevent me from doing so. 

Having said that.I find it interesting that your suggestion to me regarding my request to have an obstacle removed that prevents me from volunteering in a manner that best suits my needs ,and IMHO, better serves the stated mission of the BBC is-volunteer more ??!!!

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Carl
I stand by my previous posts on this forum. Come to a Board meeting, you will be welcome, and make your arguments there.
Ed

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

I also support removing the Blackout Date for the Flatlands Ride.  First, many BBC members have families and responsibilities; thereby only allowing them a limited time to ride. Secondly, many members are tired of spending 2-3 hours each day driving back and forth to work and prefer to enjoy the day cycling instead of another 3 hour roundtrip commute to the ride start.  Thirdly, believe it or not, there are cyclists who either don't own a car and one car families. And with the Gulf Oil Disaster highlighting our addiction to oil, some people would like to see bicycling be part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem.  With Sunday's temps predicted well in the 90's, many people would like a local ride on the more pleasant Saturday.  And I do contribute both to improving bicycling in Baltimore and volunteer for the extra special moCivil War Century.
Jeffrey H. Marks

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

The Flatlands, The Civil War Century, the BBC picnic in Thurmont are great events- all products of hardworking volunteers in the club. However, they have always seemed to me to be another product of suburban car culture, not very bike friendly and certainly not very Baltimore friendly.

There is no reason to change events like these, but I sure think it's smart for the board to consider the future direction of the club as it relates to  requiring driving further and further away from the club's original constituency. If we continue like this we'll be having our picnic in Lancaster county by 2015. Let's put our heads together and figure out how to better "promote and sponsor bicycling activities in Baltimore City and neighboring counties" Or, maybe that's not what the club wants to be doing, and that's fine too, but we should be changing the mission.    Bob Wagner

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

bob wagner wrote:

...another product of suburban car culture, not very bike friendly and certainly not very Baltimore friendly. ... driving further and further away from the club's original constituency.

I live in the B'more 'burbs (as, I dare say, do a majority of BBCers) and ride locally during the mid-week. I much prefer getting out of Ho Co (my 'burb) on weekends and refuse to feel ashamed when I haul myself to rides in a motor vehicle.

Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
http://www.despair.com/demotivators/compromise.html
Chris Tsien
LAB Certified Instructor

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Why should anyone feel ashamed riding their bike? That doesn't make sense. Ride however you like. It's all good.

But do we want to have blackout events that are as much as two counties away from Baltimore? Where are we going with this?

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

I think the best solution to distant club events is to have the club actively sponsor a car pool or mass-transit alternative.  This might mean renting tour buses for big events like CWC.
Sign-up for events would include the information on car-pooling.  Events could be evaluated by car vs bike ratios.  This would mean a car-pool coordinator at the club level and at the event level.  More volunteer positions to be filled, more opportunities for members.

I try to limit (car) driving to bike rides to one a month.  For me the fun is being on the bike, not thinking about how fast I need to drive to get to a bike ride and then dealing with a drive home.  I would consider more frequent out of area travel to events if I didn't need to think about 1 person 1 car 1 bike every time.

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Folks this isn't just about driving vs biking.
It's  also about my rights and expectations as a BBC member.
It's about equality & freedom of choice (not having my choices limited or denied because  someone else chose to place an additional burden upon themselves)

Let's say the BBC is a ship.The Pres. is Captain & the board members her crew. I like 'sailing' and like traveling to the Baltimore and Howard 'islands' which are listed as travel destinations of the ship ,so one day I buy a 'ticket'. After traveling on the ship for some time.I begin to notice that some of the other 'passengers', though not required ,are doing quite a bit of 'rowing'.So I decide to help with the 'rowing' as well.

  I was really enjoying traveling upon the USS BBC. Then, one day, some members of the crew decided they wanted to travel to the far 'island' of Cecil.The 'builders' of the USS BBC never intended her to travel to the far island' of 'Cecil' ,so this placed an additional burden upon her. To ensure that they had the additional power needed to offset this additional burden.The Captain & crew decided to eliminate the stops  to  the ships usual port of calls of the Baltimore and Howard  'islands ' etc., and sail straight to the 'island' of Cecil .

But Captain , I do not wish to travel to the far island of Cecil.I did not buy a 'ticket' to the far island of Cecil, I loudly protested ! To which ,one of the crew replied, "stop whining" & 'row harder'. :-)

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

I agree that eliminating blackout dates is a two edged sword.  But I also choose to do my own ride when I cannot make it to, or wish to go to a BBC event.  Why is Kent County not a black out date?  Why is the Flatlands tour?  I enjoy supporting the club, the camaraderie, and riding with friends.  Some rides I like to do, some hold little for me.  Not to belittle those organizing events, I love most of them, but the Flatlands tour with no shade, almost no place to get water or food, and with more and more development has outlived it lure for me.  It's easy riding and great tandeming, but I'd rather ride some lovely hills with a bit more scenery.

Not wanting to eliminate blackout dates, is there a problem with inviting 'friends' to do a ride on the BBC Forum?  I actually look forward to seeing new rides pop up on the calendar for a weekend that may cater to the location and weather.  If a ride is farther than I'd like to go, perhaps because something came up that precluded the extra time for travel, wouldn't it be great if a ride showed up on the calendar that fits your immediate needs?  If its a 90 degree, blazingly hot day, a new ride starting at 8 am might be perfect.  It's an honor if 40 people show up for a scheduled ride, and it would be unfair to change a start time due to weather for a ride that's been on the schedule.  I'm happy if I schedule a ride the day before and anyone shows up.

The new format that allows instantly placing a ride to the calendar is a great feature that works for these changing times.  I'm choosing to embrace its possibilities where I can.

Happy trails,

Dan Artley in Parkton

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