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Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Hi All
This is my 4th post on this topic (hopefully the last).  A number of issues have been raised; I will try to answer them.
For those who think it is tyrannical of the Board to foist a blackout date upon the membership, you will need to let the board know your reasoning for ending them. As a Board member, I would want to know that a majority of the club members support the ending of any or all of the blackouts for the 4 events involved. To find out what the majority of the membership thinks about it will be difficult. I circulated a questionnaire several years ago asking about the future of the club Newsletter. At best 20% of the membership responded.
In reading the posts, there seems to be a group who object to driving to a club ride or event or at least driving a significant distance. Others, (like myself) prefer to have their weekend rides and special events in a locale outside of  their usual routes. In any case, the normal ride schedule allows for rides that start close in, such as at Oregon Ridge (which will always have a good turnout) or far out such as Taneytown, New Freedom, or Myersville.
As for large club events starting close in, I loved the Hunt Valley Hundred  and did it every year through the 70's, 80's and into the 90's. Given the success of the CWC which now attracts over 1600 participants, the club would not be able to manage that many riders on a ride from Hunt Valley. As it is now, the club receives complaints every year about riders blocking roads by not riding single file, and leaving their bikes on private property at rest stops. All of those issues would be greatly magnified if we put the century back to Hunt Valley. But then, the reason the Hunt Valley Hundred was moved (~1998) were all of the complaints from the club members about how difficult the last one was--too hilly. The beauty of the CWC is that a rider can stay out of the mountains and just do the shorter rides in the valley. The club century can then appeal to a larger group of riders.
Let me say it again; anything the club does can be changed if the membership wants to. You need to let the Board know. In fact, you can be a member of the Board next year! The Board will need a new Treasurer and Member-at-Large (read event leader).

Ed Cahill

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

ehc3rd@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All
This is my 4th post on this topic (hopefully the last).  A number of issues have been raised; I will try to answer them.
For those who think it is tyrannical of the Board to foist a blackout date upon the membership, you will need to let the board know your reasoning for ending them.

Ed,  I'm working on it.I've spent many hours banging away @ this keyboard but seem to be making little progress.If anyone wishes to help ,please contact me @ 443-275-8378 or psycolist.1@juno.com
Thanks,
Carl

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

In short (limited typing skills) I think the CWC should remain a blackout date.  It appears to me this is THE major money making event for the club.  Most racing clubs REQUIRE club member support for at least one event.  I don't think it's too much to ask the BBC members to refrain from holding official or "unofficial" rides on this date.  Much of what the BBC members get from the club comes from the financing from the CWC.

As to the other dates in question I don't have a strong feeling on the matter.  I think it is GREAT BBC is providing these events to the club.  BBC asking me not to post a official competing ride does not bother me.  Since I don't need BBC's permission to walk my bike out the door and ride I don't see it as a major issue.

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Hi All
Jeffrey Marks is going to ask Georgia to put the topic of the 4 black out Special Events on the agenda for an upcoming Board meeting. At this time I do not know what Georgia's priorities are for other club business but I would guess that either the August or even the July meeting is a possibility. I will post it on this forum as soon as I know.
The Board meets on the 2nd Thursday of the month at 7PM. If you wish to come and discuss this topic, you will need to let Georgia that you are coming; the Board meetings are always open to any club member. The real problem right at the moment; is the location. We may be able to use Bob Roswell's System Source office in Hunt Valley again even though he will be on vacation in July.  Otherwise, Georgia needs to find a location we can use. We used to use Barb Park's home in Timonium for years, but her failing health does allow that any more.
Ed Cahill

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Given my condition Ed, my views here would be my statement at the meeting.  If a conference call is warranted let me know.  Attending in my condition is not possible.

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

To provide an alternate voice here:

How about a compromise. I agree that a 'complete' Blackout for the CWC is a good thing for all of the reasons previously mentioned.

For the other Blackout dates for rides, most of which are already listed in the calendar, can the club as a group agree that it remains a Blackout day but there are no complaints, bickering, animosity, or fighting over a club member posting a local/friendly/impromptu ride on such a Blackout day? Those that wish to volunteer are going to volunteer; a Blackout Date ban on other rides is unlikely to have any positive effect on volunteerism.

It seems that the concern Carl brought up is the implied authoritarianism that the term "Blackout Date' connotes.I agree that the implication of a Blackout day with a "This is the only ride that will be 'officially' sanctioned by the club today." idea is a bit overkill.  Let's make that term less heavy with meaning allowing other rides to happen on the same day as the 'Club Preferred Ride'. After all, it's all about riding and providing as many opportunities for that as possible.

Joe

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Joe , thanks for your input.
Just to be clear.My original post / request to have the blackout dates removed is based on the fact that they conflict with the stated mission goal(s) of the BBC. (they prevent rides from being scheduled that occur within the region stated to be supported by the BALTIMORE bike club in favor of a ride / 'event' that does not occur within that region)

Mr.Wagner aka 'Rando Bob' replied that he thinks that these 'events' provide a great opportunity to bring us all together and supposes that the blackout dates facilitate that.I replied that every BBC ride has the same goal of uniting it's members and the cycling community to enjoy our common interest-cycling and that these blackout dates only facilitate censorship and censorship facilitates tyranny.

Bob then made comments which seem to suggest that my comment(s) (these blackout dates "facilitate censorship") was a bit harsh.Mr.Cahill made comments which seem to suggest that he was angered by them and suggested that I'm immature for making them.
But neither they, nor anyone else ,challenged my comment.

Whether my comments were harsh & or they are indicative that I'm immature is simply a matter of opinion.However,if a  member is allowed to post a ride or 'event' that best suits their needs & another member is prevented from doing so.How is that not censorship?If our choice is reduced to just one.How is that not censorship?

Is it not an unreasonable expectation on my part,that when I chose to become a member of the BBC that I would be afforded the same rights / privileges as other members?
 
  Joe, I hope that you will be able to attend the board meeting.If you are unable to attend ,please submit a letter to me (& I will add it to the pages upon pages that I will most likely be submitting:O)or someone else who is planning on attending, so that we can present it to the board.
       Thanks again,
         Carl

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Carl:

First, I certainly do not dis-agree with your reading of the mission statement. And if others wish to make comments as to your behavior I would assert that all members of the club have a right to question the policies, to ask for interpretation of those policies and to seek change of those policies if they are not congruent with the general desires of the membership. Ed Cahill alluded to this in his comments. And it is the foundation for most democratic organizations in general.

I would agree that if the mission statement of the BBC that appears on the website is taken at it's pure words then a Blackout Date for a ride which is held outside of the boundaries of those counties listed in the mission statement is a direct conflict with those stated words. The general mission of the club to promote bicycle riding in general is supported by the club's participation & organization of such an event, regardless of the location, however the 'conflict of wording', as I will call it, would call to question the following possibilities to resolve the conflict:

1) Events held outside of the boundaries, as listed in the mission statement, would not be subjected to                        the Blackout Date policy (is there a written policy in regard to this or is it an 'unwritten' code?). This should be the option if the "promote and sponsor bicycling activities" (direct quote from the mission statement) is the primary guiding rule for the club.

2) The mission statement should be amended or re-written to include other areas where the club conducts it's 'business' (yes, it is in the business of hosting, holding & promoting rides). This would be the option if the Blackout Date Policy is the primary guiding rule for the club.

This conflict is one of wording not agreeing with actions - events taking place outside of the stated club boundaries taking priority over activities that are within the stated boundaries. It is simple enough to make the words agree with the actions of the club, by one of the two methods I listed above. If this seems to be too simplistic of a notion, please explain why. Organizations naturally evolve and as such the guiding principles either need to guide that evolution or the guiding principles need to change to meet that evolution.

One last comment: For all of those people who put in tireless effort to the club, through volunteering with the CWC, Tour de Montes, and other rides, to the club officers, ride leaders, etc. I am extremely grateful for all of your efforts. Your actions and time are the reason the club exists and I do not wish to question or denigrate that effort, nor do I believe that Carl nor anyone else who has replied to this post. I questioned the reasoning of the Blackout Date policy back in January at the one & only ride leaders meeting I attended, particularly in regard to mountain bike rides. I remember wishing that I had never asked as the response was short, quick and with no further discussion; It is what it is was the general gist. I find this discussion to be part of what makes a lively, knowledgeable, informed and evolving group of like-minded individuals. Most things do not last long when they remain in stasis, including groups. Perhaps this is the beginning of positive evolution for the club as a whole.

Joe

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Carl:

I will not be able to attend the meeting however you have my permission to use any of the comments I have posted to this thread in support of your cause to have the Blackout Date Policy reviewed and possibly amended.

Joe

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Re: Petition to remove "Blackout date" from ride Schedule

Blackout dates are in effect all the time. People have just not noticed them.

We have "blackout dates" every day of the weekend.  It the understood policy of the BBC that only ONE ride of any category is posted for any day on the weekend. Once a single 15-17 ride is posted, there is a "blackout" for other 15-17 rides for that day. Look at the BBC picnic on July 18th. (I happened to be the one who put this entry in the calendar and I put it in the way I understand it.)  There are rides of EVERY level going on that day--as on most weekend days that do not have special events. The Delaware Flatlands tour was  also a chance for rides of every level.  There is a "blackout" on other rides of each level.

Special event days are really no different from regular weekend days. The number of rides is limited.

The whole point of being in a club is to ride with a group of people rather than by yourself. The whole point of limiting the number of rides on a certain weekend day is to get a good group together to ride with.  Having 4 or 5 different 15-17 rides on a Saturday would ensure that all of them would be poorly attended.  Now I know that sometimes there are conflicting rides of the same level on a weekend. The club is not perfect here and will never be perfect. Sometimes there will be a local 15-17 ride AND a way up in the mountains 100 mile 15-17 ride posted on the same weekend day.  There are, in fact, enough club members to support such splitting of groups on the same day.  This is rare. It will happen on occasion. It is not frequent.  (If someone had posted a local ride for the day of the Flatlands tour, some people might have shown up for it; some people would have frowned when they saw the listing and nodded their head in disapproval. Hit men would not have been sent out. The club does not work that way.)

I think the practice of the club in this area is above reproach and not in need of any modification.  Limit the number of rides of each level every weekend day; limit the rides to special event rides that cater to all levels when there are such events. 

I think all talk of "censorship" and "tyranny" and "authoritarian" behavior wildly inappropriate here. We are just a club trying to set up conditions so we get good sized groups to ride with.  That's what we are; that is what we have been for 20 years.  That is why people join the BBC. 

I urge the board not to give any time to this issue. I think the practice of the club here is just fine.  There are more important issues for the board to deal with than this one. (How about figuring out how to have a "verified" field in the cue sheet library or versions of the same cue sheet?  For me, these are the issues that are pressing.)

I am just back from a weekday group ride.  I love rolling on those roads with other cyclists.  Thank you Renee for leading it.

Ed

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