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Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Does anyone have a copy of the (under 50 mi.) Crofton to Galesville cue? I'm thinking about doing that ride next Sat.? But I'm unable to download / view MOST of the cues that have been submitted in the 'WORKS' format:-(
Thanks, Carl

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Carl wrote:

But I'm unable to download / view MOST of the cues that have been submitted in the 'WORKS' format

Carl: How can I help? Which cue do you want? What do you mean by "works" format?  I looked at the various Galesville cues available and one was a MS Word document (.doc), one an Excel document (.xls) and two were pdf files. 

Am I looking at the wrong cues? Are you really having trouble reading these documents?

I could convert them to something else for you--but have a hard time imagining what format you would be able to read.  But let me know what you can read and I can do the converting...

ed

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Ed,

He means Microsoft Works.  Works was/is a package with limited feature word processing, spreadsheet, etc. programs that often comes free with Windows equipped PC's.  They'd give you a trial version of MS Office.   In the past, one could open a Office level file into Word, Excel, etc., and then use "save as" and select a Works format from the file format/extension drop down menu below the one for the file name.

Not sure about whether the current Office products will save a Works format file as I use OpenOffice.

Sam

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Carl,

The cue that you want is also available for download from the Cue Library in the an Adobe pdf format file.  If you don't have Adobe Acrobat Reader, it is a free download from Adobe.com.

In addition, OpenOffice, a full function program suite is a free download from openoffice.org.  It will open all .doc & .xls files, as well as many other formats and thus allow you to read and print those files.

I use this suite for my word processing, speadsheet, database, & slideshow needs.  It "looks & feels" very much like the MS Office products so using it is rather easy from the beginning.

With Adobe and OpenOffice you can open, read, alter (if needed), and print virtually any cue sheet you'll find on sources like the BBC Cue Library.

Open Office will not save the .doc version of the cue you want into a Works format file, but it will save it into a .rtf file (Rich Text Format), and I think that Works will open this.  I've done that and can send it to you.  However I think the better option is to simply get OpenOffice and use it.

Sam

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

One thing to consider is the age and speed and capabilities of your computer.  Up until recently, I was keeping all my cycling stuff (basic files and internet surfing) on an old (vintage 2000) desktop computer.  In the last couple of years, it has become pretty dysfunctional due to Microsoft's "planned obsolescence" program.  Eventually, our old RAM becomes too little, our space to limited, our software too old and our computers grind to a halt.  Then you download and install something really great like Open Office which is a huge program unto itself and it desires the latest drivers, software and RAM.

Give it a try, it is a wonderful program, but if the computer is old and slow, it might not be reasonable to use.  You can always uninstall it and defragment your hard drive if not.  Check your HDD space before you go for it.  SL

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Sam49 wrote:

He means Microsoft Works.  Works was/is a package with limited feature word processing, spreadsheet, etc. programs that often comes free with Windows equipped PC's.  They'd give you a trial version of MS Office.   In the past, one could open a Office level file into Word, Excel, etc., and then use "save as" and select a Works format from the file format/extension drop down menu below the one for the file name.

Sam
Is this what he meant?  I thought Carl was saying that there were "works" formatted files in the cue library.   I did not see any strange formats in the cue sheet library for the Galesville rides.  I did not see any .rtf formats or anything but the ones I listed.  I want to push a bit on this so we can be clear on what is going on.  There should only be "standard" formats in the cue library.  I would take .doc and .xls and .pdf as standard formats.  (Only the first two are editable by commonly owned software.  PDF files require special software to edit.)  I don't think there should be any other formats.

So Carl: help us. What was the extension of the file you had trouble with in the cue library?

(Sam:  the issue is whether Carl is having trouble with standard format files in the cue library or whether there are files in the library which are non-standard. If it is the latter, they should be taken out, reformatted and replaced, in my opinion.)

ed

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Ed,

I disagree.  It is true that Carl's sentence can be interpreted 2 ways.  However, as explained below, I'm rather sure that the issue is what I discussed before - that Carl wants to view a .doc format cue sheet with his Microsoft Works program and that isn't going to happen.

First, Carl has an old computer.  He has mentioned this many times in posts.

Carl is very unlikely to writing about the problem you interpret his sentence as raising.  The issue is not whether there are works format files in the library because we know these are not there - particularly for the ride about which Carl writes - it only has .pdf and .doc versions available.  I've never seen a .wrk format for any other ride either.   I've looked at virtually every ride that Carl has mentioned riding in the last 12 months as I like to ride with Carl and check to see the start, distance, etc., when he posts about doing a ride.  I've also looked at many other rides that are posted for 15-17 and 18+ rides - never seen a .wrk file.

So, I see no reason to interpret Carl's sentence to describe a problem that doesn't exist for the ride in question, and probably not for any other ride, when there is a very plausible alternate interpretation that fits Carl's computer situation.

To me, Carl's sentence means that he has downloaded one or both of the cue sheets for this ride (.doc & .pdf formats)  cannot open and view either of these files usng Microsoft Works - the only program that would require him to use a file in the Works format. 

Microsoft purposefully made Works unable to open Word .doc files so that people would have to buy Word or Office to read these files. 

If Carl had Office, Word,  or a compatible program, he could open and view the .doc files in the cue library and, if any Works format files were there, he'd be able to open those also.

I've sent him a .rtf (Rich Text Format) file I converted from the .doc file and a .pdf I made from that - both done using OpenOffice.  He might be able to open the .rtf file in Works - I don't have it on my computer to try, but that is about the complexity level of Works.  The pdf file made with OpenOffice is just over 100k, much smaller than the 700k plus pdf file in the cue library.

Sam

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Dammit Jim,I'm a Carpenter not a Dr.!(of Computer Science:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MULMbqQ9 … re=related

Stuart:Our computer is only a few years old.Janet buys a new one every 3 years or so when they start to bog down.It did come with Microsoft word & Adobe.

Sam: I was able to open the 2 cues you e-mailed me w/o any problems.

Ed: I'm unable to view most of the cues that were submitted using the works format except the Bruini memorial ride and the bagel bin to Frederick ride.When I download the others ,I'm unable to open them & get a message -file may be corrupted ,blah, blah ,blah ,??? :-o!

  thanks Guys!

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

I would suggest that every cue sheet in the library should be posted in PDF format.  I ALWAYS convert mine to PDF before I post them.  I downloaded PDF995 which is a free application that allows you to "print" to a PDF file.  Anyone and everyone should be able to open a PDF file no matter how old their computer and the PDF reader software (as noted), is also free.

It would be a good idea for someone in the club to keep the original format version on the server somewhere whenever possible and then if someone needs to modify a route, they could email the webmaster or a posted librarian (like before) to get a copy of the file.  One could also request the original from the poster.

Perhaps we computer geeks could all volunteer to save the existing files posted that are not in PDF and to download a few each and save them as PDF's so this problem doesn't happen.  Of course, the problem with this is that the original poster is then lost since we would be “re-posting” them in PDF format.

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Re: Crofton to Galesville cue needed

Carl wrote:

Ed: I'm unable to view most of the cues that were submitted using the works format except the Bruini memorial ride and the bagel bin to Frederick ride.When I download the others ,I'm unable to open them & get a message -file may be corrupted ,blah, blah ,blah ,??? :-o!

Carl: It makes my head hurt trying to understand what you are saying.  Can you give me a list of file formats (the file extension, the three letters on the right of the period) that you are unable to open. As far as I know there are NO files in the cue library in the "works format."   Since you do have Microsoft Office you should have had no trouble opening the Galesville ride cues which are in .doc and .xls format. I assume you have to have Adobe reader. Every computer made in the last ten years comes with Adobe reader which allows you to read .pdf files.

I am trying to figure out if there are corrupt cue sheets in the cue library or cue sheets in a strange, unusual format.  Sam thinks the whole problem is you and your software; I want to make sure this is the case.

Cheers!!

ed

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